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title: "How do you take attendance (or engagement)?"
date: 2009-02-27
url: https://learningischange.com/2009/02/27/how-do-you-take-attendance-or-engagement/
author: Ben Wilkoff
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tags: []
---

# How do you take attendance (or engagement)?

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When the students are directly in front of you, it is easy. You count up the number of kids and see just who they are. There you go: attendance.

When you use wikis and blogs, but the kids are still staring at you during the day, it is still pretty easy. Count up the kids. Measure the contributions. Viola: attendance and participation.

When you do not see the kids every day (or at all) and your class IS the [wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) or blog. How, then, do you measure attendence? If you had to report out on whether or not a student was present on any given day, can you turn to the edits that they made on the wiki or comments on the blog and say that they attended? If we start to measure the quality of the edit or the level of thought behind a comment, then we are starting to measure something different entirely. We are measuring engagement.

But, perhaps that is what we should be measuring anyway. Perhaps we should not have information systems that measure whether or not your body was there physically or your eyes were scanning the material, but if, instead, you were truly engaged and making substinative contributions to the classroom environment.

The reason why I am thinking about this right now is I have to decide if an [LMS](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_management_system) is truly worth the effort to set up for [adult learners](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_learner). Is it important to have courses held within a place that requires a login and allows for a lot less co-creation, or can I have a course held entirely in a wiki, producing a network of learners that are continually making the course and the learning experience better?

[I came across this course the other day](http://wikieducator.org/Flexible_learning) and I think that it describes quite  a little bit of what I am talking about. In this course, all participants go through the wiki’s activities and discussions as they co-create knowledge. But, who is to say that anyone actually attended? Would we be able to say to a learning institution (school, [state department of education](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_education_agency), university) that [this list of people](http://flexible-learning-course.blogspot.com/2009/02/participants.html)underwent [professional development](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_development) of the caliber that would advance their degree, their continuing education credts, or is it just a nice experience.

So, I guess my question is two fold:

- Can we take attendence on a wiki/blog or do we need an LMS?
- Do we need a different paradigm for tracking learners that focuses on engagement rather than attendance (and how do we get there)?

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